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Please let your account age a bit while you get to know the subreddit and comment on other posts. Negative karma accounts will not be able to post or comment. Diet/Health Related Subreddits Recipe Subreddits Looking at the nutrition label, almond milk has less sugar than regular whole milk. However almond milk tastes much sweeter. Why is this and which one is healthier? I choose almond milk because it's about 20 calories per serving, no lactose (I drink a lot of it with my oats/protein) so no bloating, and tastes really good.
If you want milk with a similar protein content as cows milk, use unsweetened soy milk (70 cals, 7 g protein). If you want a milk with much lower calories than cows milk and don't care about protein, use unsweetened almond milk (30 cals, 1 g protein). Commercial almond milk is frankenfood garbage full of sugar, thickeners and emulsifiers (among these, often carrageenan which is a known carcinogen), and artificial vitamins.
If you must, for some reason, drink almond milk you should make it yourself. Blend almonds and water, strain. carrageenan which is a known carcinogen I don't believe carrageenan is, or has ever been, considered a carcinogen. It's molecular weight is too large for it to even be absorbed meaning it passes right through you. All the studies I can find back up it's safety https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12389870 All the studies I can find back up it's safety https://www.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1242073/ If you want to consume it, feel free... Personally, I think one should stick to a whole foods diet, avoiding weird frankenfoods with questionable additives. The comprehensive review I linked cited and discussed your study. You cherry picked a single study that supports your notion which goes against the current consensus on carrageenan. Every major health organization claims at the amounts consumed it poses no risk of harm.
You can fall for fallacies if you'd like but I'm going to go with the science instead. [removed] Chill. Now. Almond Milk is healthier. I hope no one disagrees that Dairy products are not meant for human consumption. Almond milk is essentially water that's been soaked in almonds. Buy non sweetened almond milk or vanilla (where it's just vanilla extract and almond milk). The taste is good and there is no unnecessary sugar in it.
Almond Milk is healthier. I hope no one disagrees that Dairy products are not meant for human consumption. That line of reasoning is following the naturalistic fallacy, and disregards persistent lactase in adults during humans co-evolution with cattle. Almond milk is essentially water that's been soaked in almonds. Buy non sweetened almond milk or vanilla (where it's just vanilla extract and almond milk).
The taste is good and there is no unnecessary sugar in it. In addition to thickerers, emulsifiers added colors, sweeteners, preservatives etc. INGREDIENTS: Almondmilk (FilteredWater, Almonds), Natural Flavor, Sea Salt, Locust Bean Gum, Sunflower Lecithin, Gellan Gum. VITAMINS & MINERALS: Calcium Carbonate,Vitamin E Acetate, Zinc Gluconate, Vitamin A Palmitate, Riboflavin (B2),Vitamin B12, Vitamin D2 That line of reasoning is following the naturalistic fallacy, and disregards persistent lactase in adults during humans co-evolution with cattle.
So why do people still experience lactose intolerance? Howcome we're not drinking other mammals milk? Do I even need to bring up the disgusting facts about pus and blood in milk that just gets "filtered" out? Or what about the amount of water and additives in milk they don't put on the labels? In addition to thickerers, emulsifiers added colors, sweeteners, preservatives etc. Get non sweetened.
The thickeners come from beans. Or you can just make your own with water and almonds. We are, just that cow's milk is a lot more common. Some people drink goat's milk. The Mongolians drink camel's milk and the Tibetans drink Yak's milk to name a few. Contrary to popular belief, most Caucasians are not lactose intolerant ~15%. Its asians who are intolerant. Milk does not just get "filtered off" We are, just that cow's milk is a lot more common.
Some people drink goat's milk. The Mongolians drink camel's milk and the >Tibetans drink Yak's milk to name a few. Contrary to popular belief, most Caucasians are not lactose intolerant ~15%. Its asians who are intolerant. Not out of choice though. If mongolians had other sources they would have used it. They used to mix their horses blood with milk because they were starving at times. They didn't kill the horse, just a slight cut or something.
Tibetans probably drink it for a similar reason, nothing else within reason or ease. And the fact that 1 ethnicity has a complete intolerance than the other isn't a red flag that we're not meant to have it? What % of a race is allergic to vegetables than the others? Or grains? There is literally no defense for consuming dairy outside of "I like dairy products." or "I'm going to die." By choice? It is their staple food for 5000 years.
If it was harmful they would have completely eliminate it. They aren't the only people drinking it. The middle eastern people including Saudi and Dubai drink it as well and for a good reason By choice most people don't drink it because of its weird taste. No plant variant milk can rival the nutrition content of whole milk. I have gone through this topic with someone else before that most people are capable of ingesting 10g of lactose per day so adding it into coffee tea is perfectly fine.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nutrition/comments/6s19ig/comment/dl9xi60 There is also fermented milk, cheese and yoghurt that do not have lactose. By choice? It is their staple food for 5000 years. Because it had to be. If it was harmful they would have completely eliminate it. The harm can milk from another mammal can do is minimal when compared to not eating at all. The middle eastern people including Saudi and Dubai drink it as well and for a good reason By choice most people don't drink it because of its weird taste.
Is Saudi and Dubai leaders in health and nutrition? Not saying the US is by any means (where I'm from), but a few countries drinking camels milk because it has nutrients doesn't make it a good reason, it just means they did a study that says "kids can drink another mammals breast milk without any side effects we can tell." Kids can also eat dirt and be fine with nutritional benefits too I'm sure.
No plant variant milk can rival the nutrition content of whole milk Correct, but you can still get everything you need from plants, minus any hormones and other things added to milk (like sugar, for example.) Just because we're able to eat meat doesn't mean we should either. The number 1 cause of death to males in the US is heart disease, which is largely connected to the amount of meat the average male eats daily.
Yes, there are nutritional benefits to eating meats, but that doesn't justify the act of doing it when you can eat plants and not worry about disease. If you have to take a supplement to allow your body to process something, it isn't meant to process it. Whether it can is a different story. No one to my knowledge has to prepare their body for some vegetables and fruit. Correct, but you can still get everything you need from plants That's all the answer I need.
Why do I have to search for something else to make up for the nutrition that I can get easily from milk or dairy. Just because we're able to eat meat doesn't mean we should either. By that logic we can eliminate a lot of foods that we don't need. We can eliminate fruit also because its nutrition we can find it in other foods as well. The point of the argument wasn't whether we need it or not but rather its nutritious and there is no need to avoid it nor substitute it with something else.
The number 1 cause of death to males in the US is heart disease, which is largely connected to the amount of meat the average male eats daily Can you link me to a source that says animal protein directly causes heart disease because I have yet to see one with hard evidence that says so without other confounding factors. As far as I am concern as well, no health organization or even the WHO has said to eat a whole plant based diet and to completely eliminate animal protein.
Most healthcare organizations I have seen recommend a mediterranean diet. That's all the answer I need. Why do I have to search for something else to make up for the nutrition that I can get easily from milk or dairy. Because the other options are healthier? If you don't care about that then have at it. By that logic we can eliminate a lot of foods that we don't need. We can eliminate fruit also because its nutrition we can find it in other foods as well.
The point of the argument wasn't whether we need it or not but rather its nutritious and there is no need to avoid it nor substitute it with something else. Fruits have lots of nutrients we can use and some of them pack a lot more than others. All while being delicious and not bad. People try to make the argument "well, fruit is loaded with sugars." Yes, and those sugars have fiber with them, so it's not like eating a spoonful of cane sugar like some believe.
Can you link me to a source that says animal protein directly causes heart disease because I have yet to see one with hard evidence that says so without other confounding factors. As far as I am concern as well, no health organization or even the WHO has said to eat a whole plant based diet and to completely eliminate animal protein. Most healthcare organizations I have seen recommend a mediterranean diet.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/new-study-links-l-carnitine-in-red-meat-to-heart-disease-201304176083 A study from Harvard. No one has ever died from too much vegetables. Thousands die from heart disease. The red meat in take of the average US is well above those in countries where animal protein is not a drive thru away, thus the heart disease % is much lower. I'm not trying to argue about this.
People wanna consume dairy, that's fine. I'd be lying if I said I don't have the occasional cheese from time to time, but I know it's not good me and I avoid all dairy as much as I can. The arguement for fruit is no differrent from the arguement for milk. So veggies are better than fruit I will say. They have fibre and nutrients but no sugar. Isn't that better? I already went through the benefits of dairy and there are non lactose options.
Likewise lactose intolerance is not harmful just uncomfortable. Eating too much fruit and veggies is gonna make you bloated as well. The link you provided is for red meat. I asked for animal protein and that includes fish and lean white meat. There is no evidence against those. Nah not arguing either but just that people are avoiding dairy for the wrong reasons. With this I'm not advocating for high consumption for whole milk.
To be honest my country's healthboard actually advocate we eat dairy including milk if it matters. I just don't find almond milk to be nutritious. Instead of milk it should be called almond beverage. Eating whole almonds is better than almond milk. If you have to take a supplement to allow your body to process something, it isn't meant to process it. Whether it can is a different story. The second sentence contradicts the first.
No one to my knowledge has to prepare their body for some vegetables and fruit. Many vegetables must be cooked prior to eating. Are they not suitable for consumption? Example : cashews must be cooked prior to eating as they contain urushiol, which is the same chemical that you'd find in poison ivy. No preparation must be done before consuming dairy. Many adults are able to consume milk without issue.
It is highly dependent on ethnicity/genetics. Cultures that raised cattle (and other mammals for milking) produce lactase into adulthood. Additionally, fermented dairy has very little lactose remaining. The longer the fermentation the less is left. Many vegetables must be cooked prior to eating. Are they not suitable for consumption? Every vegetable I eat I don't think I need to cook, if I do it's for convenience of consumption.
Either way, prepping food by adding heat isn't the same as using a medicine to counter act the side effects of said food. If I eat raw peas or broccoli, I'm not going to get ill if I don't cook them. No preparation must be done before consuming dairy. Many adults are able to consume milk without issue. It is highly dependent on ethnicity/genetics. Cultures that raised cattle (and other mammals for milking) produce lactase into adulthood.
I mean it does go through a process of getting boiled, filtered and stuff added to it. That is a process. I'll just link what someone else did not long ago: https://milk.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000658 Additionally, fermented dairy has very little lactose remaining. The longer the fermentation the less is left. Just the sound of it is gross. Spoiled breast milk. Just to be clear, I do on occasion still eat these things.
Cheeses and whatnot, but they are no longer on my shopping list. I'm not going to bitch if someone has pizza for me, but I'm not going out of my way for it either. This is a personal thing, but I've felt MUCH better since I've cut dairy largely out of my diet. I went from nearly a gallon of milk a week, cheese out the yahoo etc to nothing in my house dairy related and avoided at all costs if possible when not at home.
The dairy/meat industry is a sad one. I think if more people knew how gross and harsh it was, along with the vast downsides of dairy in general, they would consider it as well. With all that said, I am not the kind of person who cares what you eat or drink. I just think that people should consider the fact that we're not designed to consume dairy from animals outside of our own, and just because a few studies show that some groups of people can handle it, doesn't mean it's a healthy choice.
Every vegetable I eat I don't think I need to cook, if I do it's for convenience of consumption. Either way, prepping food by adding heat isn't the same as using a medicine to counter act the side effects of said food. . I mean it does go through a process of getting boiled, filtered and stuff added to it. That is a process. That contradicts your argument above. Homogeneonation is not necessary, only for convenience.
There is a large movement behind raw(unpasteurized) milk, and was not historically done. I'll just link what someone else did not long ago: https://milk.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000658 Additionally, fermented dairy has very little lactose remaining. The longer the fermentation the less is left. Just the sound of it is gross. Spoiled breast milk. Do you eat things like miso, tofu, tempth, kombucha, water kefir, kimchi, or sourkraut? Cheese, and yogurt are no different.
With all that said, I am not the kind of person who cares what you eat or drink. I just think that people should consider the fact that we're not designed to consume dairy from animals outside of our own, and just because a few studies show that some groups of people can handle it, doesn't mean it's a healthy choice. First we were not designed for anything. Second, humans and cattle (as well as multiple other animals) experienced co-evolution.
Animals changed under our care and as is obvious with adult lactase persistence, humans changed along with them. Unsweetened almond milk, hands down. Very little sugar, low calorie, more calcium. Also, dairy milk is full of hormones. http://sciencedrivennutrition.com/hormones-milk/ Like many other foods, dairy products have been the victim of pseudoscientific fear mongering – specifically focusing on the hormonal content in milk BOVINE GROWTH HORMONE HAS NO BIOLOGICAL ACTIVITY IN HUMANS Studies show that intake of IGF-1 cow’s milk has no discernible biological activity in humans  MILK DOES NOT INCREASE YOUR ESTROGEN LEVELS A new study in mice  tested whether the amount of estrogens found in regular dairy milk from pregnant cows had any effect on the circulating levels of estrogens and the genitals of the mice.
It didn’t. After that, the mice were given 100 times as much estrogen as they had found in the milk samples with the highest amount of estrogen. Again, nothing happened. Only when the amount of estrogen reached 1000 times the amount found in milk, it became possible to detect effects on the blood and genitals. The hormones are only in 'murica, the EU and Canada food standards don't allow it. https://www.
cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/recombinant-bovine-growth-hormone.html Also the more I learn about American (lack of) food standards and other weird social problems, the more I think that country is just fucking terrifying. And Canada sounds like 'USA without the shit'. I live in Europe and already feel like I have to watch out for a lot of things to live healthy. Americans seem to have it a lot harder.
My respect if they are able to pull it off with their fucked up food standards. [removed] Insert_BillyMadison_gif.here/now You are off the rails with this one, mate. Haha, nice rant. I agree with most of your points and sometimes you just have to let it out but I dont think this is the right sub for this. I'm german so the singing of the National anthem in school and the whole oath thing almost sounds like a joke to me every time I hear about it.
all cows raised in america eat grass. most cows are "grain finished" because it gives them a superior taste and texture. some cows are not grain finished and the farmers make double on those cows because of the insane fad diet of "grass fed beef." also, all of your other statements are completely wrong. American cows are feed corn and a lot of candy for the carbs. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.
cnn.com/cnn/2017/01/19/health/spilled-skittles-road-trnd/index.html Some sugars are sweeter than others. Fructose is sweeter than glucose for example. The primary carbohydrate in dairy is lactose, the primary carbohydrate in almond milk will usually be corn syrup (a mixture of glucose and fructose). the primary carbohydrate in almond milk will usually be corn syrup It's actually almost never corn syrup, since almond milk buyers were traditionally the type of people that actively avoided corn syrup as an ingredient.
Most brands use cane sugar as their sweetener instead, even though nutritionally that's nearly identical to HFCS. I'm no expert but I'd much rather have some nice whole milk with lactose than corn syrup and some almonds... What's wrong with eating whole almonds? I've never seen corn syrup in nut milk ingredients (UK) ... America sure seems to love corn syrup. Alpro seems to use beet sugar as sweetener.
Almonds are very calorie dense in comparison with either milk. Because corn is plentiful,and very cheap due to government subsidies. I always go for the unsweetened almond or coconut milk Milk is for the growth of baby cows and is not for humans to consume. Almond milk gives you the nutritional benefits of milk without many of the negatives. And yet humans twice, separately, evolved lactase activity in adulthood because of raising ruminants to eat grass, and other foodstuffs humans couldn't, while making protein/fat for consumption in the form of milk/cheese and meat.
And yet, humans need to take a medicine so their body can process it. Brb guys, I need to eat this pill before I ingest some vegetables. Milk is for the growth of baby cows and is not for humans to consume. That would actually be heavy cream. Not milk. I would drink cow milk if my stomach could handle it. More protein, calcium, vit D etc.. I can't though so I am forced to use almond milk if I want cereal.
Adding a small amount of 10% cream to almond milk makes a good substitute. That sounds like a great idea. If you switch, make sure you get enough B12 if you aren't eating other animal products. Many brands add this to their nut milks anyway (as well as calcium). It might be a better comparison between fully skimmed milk and nut milks, as they're closer in calories. MyFitnessPal tells me, per 100ml, in my local supermarket: Hazelnut (alpro) has 29kcal Skimmed milk has 35kcal 1% fat milk has 41kcal Semi skimmed has 49kcal Whole has 65kcal.
Skimmed milk has more room for protein and calcium, with the fat removed. I gradually switched down to skimmed milk for the most part (cereal, coffee etc. --more calcium and protein, less fat than whole) but hazelnut milk is very tasty with chocolate flavour protein powder. Oh, and almond alpro is 24kcal per 100ml. Cow milk is always cheaper though. Looking at the nutrition label, almond milk has less sugar than regular whole milk.
Look at your multivitamin label, it has no sugar and tons of vitamins. When you look at almond milk, you are looking to added sugars and added supplements (calcium). When you look at whole milk, the sugar and calcium is naturally created. So, it depends. If all you care about is added sugars and supplements, then Almond Milk is a good choice. If you care about whole foods and natural foods, Whole milk is a good choice.
What else do you care about? It varies a lot by brand. I reccomend this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LeTXK9v-zE0See Also: Cows Have To Be Pregnant To Produce Milk
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the guardian article also has a chart with some common foods and how much water it takes to produce them. also note i gave pretty much the worst case scenario for almond milk, while the dairy milk numbers are probably averages well i looked this up really quickly and found 2 sources. the first is from, of all places, the Albuquerque Water Utility Authority (page 10) and says that 1 glass of milk takes 54 gallons, or 200 liters of water.
the second source i found is an article in the Guardian (check out the chart at the bottom), which seems to be using information from this report by the Institution of Mechanical Engineers and says it takes about 255 liters, or about 67 gallons, of water for a glass of milk. now, a lot of the public hate towards almond milk consumption is because of this article from Mother Jones, which denounces almond milk as an overpriced hipster fad, and which says it takes 1.
1 gallons of water to grow a single almond. to compare really quick, this article from Slate which is something of a rebuttal to that Mother Jones article, says it takes 3.3 gallons of water to grow a single tomato and 4.9 for a walnut. this Slate article also mentions that most recipes for home made almond milk call for 1/4 or 1/3 a cup of almonds which is probably far more than a commercial brand almond milk uses.
since Slate doesn't say how many almonds that is, and since i have a bunch of almonds, i counted out 1/3 a cup of dry whole almonds, which comes to ~52 almonds. i guess my conclusion is that the water usage of almond milk and dairy milk are somewhat similar, with almond milk using less Can't find numbers for Silk, but Alpro's almond milk contains 2% almonds. Assuming that close to the 100% of the almonds are contained in the milk (which the nutrional info suggests) and that an almond weighs 1.
2g we get a water ratio of 70:1, compared to 1000:1 with milk. So water usage for commercial almond milk is a drop in the bucket compared to milk. Oh, this is interesting, hadn't come across the 2% number before..that's really helpful, thanks! You might be interested in the math in my other response.. It tastes nice too, like natural almonds (ie. not synthetic aroma), so I don't think 2% is an uncommonly low number.
Wouldn't you also need to calculate how many cups of almond milk are required to equal the macronutrient or even caloric content of a cup of milk? Otherwise you're really not comparing the same thing at all. 1 cup of whole milk contains approximately 146 calories, 8 grams of fat, 11 grams of carbs, 8 grams of protein. 1 cup of Allpro unsweetened contains approximately 32.5 calories, 2.75 grams of fat, 0/25 grams of carbs, 1 gram of protein.
So if looking just at caloric content, you are only really comparing like with like if you say 1 cup of dairy milk is equivalent to 4.5 cups of almond milk. Right, and if we actually finish that comparison we get a water ratio of 315:1 for almond milk compared to milk's 1000:1. When the product is similar and the difference is huge (70 vs. 1000) a small variation in caloric content etc. won't make up for the huge difference.
Your point is more useful when comparing truly different categories of food. [deleted] Too add to this, the water consumption of almond milk is still less vs the animal industry. I remember reading an article blasting almonds for their water usage. Couldn't help but think "you're concerned about the amount of water that almonds use, but don't seem to have an issue with dairy's water usage?". Their informative graph also showcased that dairy used more water.
I know most of the world sees through rose-tinted glasses, but I didn't realize so many people were also mathematically illiterate. Or I guess it's just another example of cognitive dissonance because "lol veganism". there's a huge ton of factors that aren't taken into consideration here, it's just a comparison of water usage i counted out 1/3 a cup of dry whole almonds, which comes to ~52 almonds.
Either your cup is huge or your almonds are actually sesame seeds. I'm not near almonds or a 1/3 cup, but if you get 25 I'd be surprised. I did this as well, got ~25 per 1/4 cup, but they seemed like really small almonds too.. i was really surprised too, but that's how much it came out to, i counted it out like 3 times Not almond milk but alpro soy milk specifically advertises itself as using less land, less water and creating less carbon dioxide emissions compared to dairy milk.
So that erases their excuse for shunning vegan milk Also I don't know about where you live but here in the UK there are fights about the price of cow's milk and it often ends in entire tankers being dumped. That is something that doesn't happen with almond milk. And less almond milk is "fresh" and when it is it has longer dates than dairy milk so it's less likely to be discarded again. The almond milks I buy must only use a few almonds per litre because they're only 2-3% almonds.
So according to those figures it's amazingly better than dairy. That's going to be no more than 11 gallons per box + the litre of water vs 54 gallons for one (250ml?) glass? I did all the math (so far seems accurate, holding up against a couple critics so far) here: http://veganstart.org/blog-almonds-and-water-use/ Commercial almond milk is definitely more efficient, using less water. Home made could possibly be more, but that's if you're using a ton of almonds and an inefficient extraction process.
I also believe they completely ignore the water usage of the feed for the milking cows. That's a huge omission in itself. This argument is very nuanced and complex. As someone else pointed out, the benefit of a tree versus an animal, and its use of resources don't even come close to being comparable. i think the water usage of the feed is factored in somehow, because for 1 kg of beef the same source says over 4,000 gallons of water is used.
also the report is on food waste, so i don't think they'd leave out a huge number like that. it is a really complex issue, i was just throwing out some figures that hopefully someone could use if they were in a conversation where someone brought this issue up (as i was). when i see threads like this i save them so i can bring them up quickly later. if there is only something like 8 almonds in a gallon of almond milk, the difference becomes clear and huge It's irrelevant how much water is used.
It about where the water comes from and where it ends up. Cows need artificially sanitized and contained water and they convert it into urine and feces, which, in large amounts, are harmful waste products that must be dealt with. Almonds can use natural, unprocessed water that cows cannot (rainwater, natural ground water, etc.). They can also obtain that water themselves. Additionally, almond trees convert the water into pure oxygen and hydrogen.
They produce no harmful bio-waste. Yes, farming may be supplemented with irrigation, so it's not 100% natural water, but it's a lot less "bad" water than cows use. there's a huge ton of factors that aren't taken into consideration here, it's just a comparison of water usage